AR thoughts.........

by Byron, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 11:07 (4432 days ago)

Nice to see the board is warming to the very useful and versitile AR15/M16 family. I recall a time when conversations regarding these handy rifles regularly became disrespectful...the majority opinion was they were Matty Matel junk good for nothing but shooting chipmunks...one at a time as thay was all they could be counted on to fire without tieing up...times change...for the better...for the good....

My thoughts are that ARs can be broken down into just of couple of subsets...while they are the modular "Mr. Potato Head" of rifles...only just a couple of real different layouts....

Without doubt the most pleasent to shoot and the easyist to hit with at different ranges is a full size rifle with 20" barrel and quality telescope...the USMC pattern ACOG on this full length A4 will allow consistent hits on a dinner plate at the limits of the round...close to half mile...any AR collection should have one...

The simple bare bones M4gery with 16" barrel and collapsable stock is the handyest ofs the lot...no muss no fuss...this Armalite midlength is the back porch rifle...the 1.5-5x illuminated 4200 Elite scope and 200 lume light is just the ticket for raccoons down at the chicken coop at night...the short lenght make it handy in and out of vehicles and the collapsable stock will adjust to fit small women and children...this is the style to have if you can have only one...BUIS are no big deal for me...in fact kinda in the way...as the scope is wonderful and the rifle is not abused...

The fancy 16" is special...at least for me...Aimpoint Red Dot with battery life measured in years...850 lume spotlight...fixed A1 sights that never go out of zero...full length Troy Battle Rail covering the 1/7" twist barrel out to the front sight...don't burn your hands on the hot barrel like on a CAR...the Aimpoint and spotlight will allow easy ID of targets and shooting at full dark to a couple of hundred yards...handy on the farm...nice...

Byron
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I have come to the same conclussions. I was probably

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 12:48 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

the most adamant anti AR-15 guy here. I have a half dozen around the farm now. I like the concecpt so much I am buying a 1 1/4ton GM CUCV that has built in racks for a pair of ARs...Hows THAT for a bolt on AR accessory:-)This is not the specific Blazer that I buying , but it gives one the idea. Detroit diesel, out of a museum being gone through right now.[image]

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Boss man bought a CUCV a couple of months ago. They

by Hobie ⌂ @, Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 13:26 (4432 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

can be taken anyplace I'd care to drive.

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As long as you don't want to go more than 45mph uphill. ;)

by cas, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 19:42 (4432 days ago) @ Hobie

My buddy had one for a number of years, took a few road trips to matches in it. Nothing like driving with ear plugs in. :-D

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They are barebones but compared to some of the other

by Hobie ⌂ @, Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 21:11 (4432 days ago) @ cas

vehicles I might have had to use, they were luxurious!

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My buddy drove that truck from Michigan to Long island...

by cas, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 21:33 (4432 days ago) @ Hobie

..when he bought it. Also drove it from Long Island, down to Knob Creek a time or two. Glad I wasn't along for those rides. :D

They will do 70MPH, & I plan on doing spray on bed liner

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 22:42 (4432 days ago) @ cas

and maybe carpet kit. I received a CUCV for a marine friend that resides in Calm (can't be shipped there, can be driven!) We romped all around the hills here with it, perfect for what I want. Too late Warhawk, I HAVE the Military vehicle desease...this is just a easy way to assuage it. I've been looking at Unimogs, M151A1s(love/hate them as I used them as an MP), Pinzguarers and Saracens...
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70MPH… down hill maybe. lol

by cas, Monday, October 08, 2012, 00:56 (4431 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

Of course the larger tires didn't help.

Be Careful With That Disease...

by Brian A, Monday, October 08, 2012, 01:44 (4431 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

It can be as addictive as the firearms bug. I don't even know how many military vehicles have gone through my hands in the last 25 years. Have not owned a CUCV yet, but did have an '85 K5 Blazer that was a former Conservation Officer's patrol vehicle. It was almost identical to the military version except had the 350 V8 and the 700R4 transmission. It was a great truck but Michigan winters eventually got the best of it. There are currently about a dozen MVs here, from a Mule to a 5-ton, with Jeeps, M-37s and a Dodge W200 ambulance in the stable.

I have not yet gotten bit by the AR bug, mostly because the budget just does not have enough room for another toy. Have been thinking one would make a real handy woods bumming rifle for snowshoe hikes during the winter coyote season though. Would also be a lot of fun to get back into National Match competition with one.

I have come to the same conclussions. I was probably

by Warhawk, Hot Springs, Arkansas, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 20:54 (4432 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

I worked in a Sporting Goods store, then a gunshop when I was in college. Neither place sold "black rifles" and they both had a rule against trading for one. So I had no exposure to them, a couple of years later I joined the Air Force and my experience with their worn out M-16s was not exactly confidence inspiring. And being a follower of Saint Elmer Keith, I had little use for the "puny" .223 cartridge either.

I've since warmed up to them, and would say that at 52 years of age I now have full on black rifle disease. I've built at least a dozen AR-15's, including one for each son in time for them to learn the platform before basic training. I had one AR-10, and did not like the weight, even a lightweight AR-10 runs close to 10 pounds.

RL, Maybe I shouldn't post this lest you catch the military vehicle disease, but I'm posting it anyway. It's just too cool a story not to share.

http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm

I learned to drive in a Mil-Surp Jeep

by Dave B @, Alamogordo New Mexico, Monday, October 08, 2012, 19:38 (4431 days ago) @ Rob Leahy

Which is probably why I still suffer with a Jeep addiction.

changed my mind to favor them in 1981 when i went into army

by cable, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 13:04 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

and got to use one, several times a year. before that i had a mini14, after that it went down the road, traded off.
by the end of my hitch in 1983 i knew i had to have one. got a colt CAR-15 SP1 made about 1975. still have it , and i guess those early ones are kinda collectible. have owned mini14, HK91 308, and M1A...all of those are gone now......cant think of one thing they do better that the AR platform [ i have a CAR style 16" DPMA 308 that is superbly accurate and reliable ] and most things, like handling and pointing, they don't do as well
i am a nostalgia buff and enthusiast about lever guns, single action revolvers,etc. etc. but when it comes to defending my self and others, i want no nonsense, no nostalgia,etc: whatever works best and most reliably is for me. an M4, a glock or sig or HK, and i know i am set. they will do the job.....every time.

Never was a hater myself - haven't been without a selection

by John K., Sunday, October 07, 2012, 15:33 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

since the late 70's. They are very handy, useful, and I never found them to be overly finicky. Most of mine through the years have been A1 style 20" guns. I never warmed to the heavy barrels - too nose heavy for my taste, plus if it weighs 10-12lbs I'd rather carry a M1A or Garand. Somewhere in the safe there is an old HBAR 1-7. Never shot or carried it much.

As a teenager, the SP-1s were my favorite for hunting stock-killing feral dogs and they were very effective even with standard 55gr FMJ ammo. A good 14-16" gun with a good ACOG would be even better!

Never was a hater myself - haven't been without a selection

by Alfred John, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 15:45 (4432 days ago) @ John K.

I came of age using the M1 Garand in the Army, then was issued the M-14, great rifles of which I have appropriate ones. I grew up with Springfield's in 03 and 03A3 configurations. I never warmed to the M-16 when they came out and put the idea in the back of my mind. Eventually I did get a Colt H-Bar target and it is a great shooter, only weighs in at 10 pounds or so. Finally got into handling the M-4 civilian version and found they were great shooters. Still learning, nothing like the earlier rifles and simple as well. I can see why these are gaining in popularity. Light weight, low recoil, etc. I have had M1 Carbines both for duty use and plinking, but could never warm up to them. Ammo availability back then was a sometime thing. They were cleaned and put up. Just saying I do like the current offerings and like has been said, you can do endless things with them and to them. ATB

I had the M14 in the Army. Afterward, I bought a Mini14

by Cherokee @, Medina, Ohio, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 17:16 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

and an M1A when they became available. They served me well and I still have them. About 20 years ago I bought an old SP1 and discovered I liked it. Since, several AR's have occupied safe space and I would rely on the platform for emergency use.
I'm even thinking about a 308 version. None, however, will replace my liking for the lever actions, SA's and such. I appreciate the insight and comments on the AR's that come up here because they seem to come from first hand experience.

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I agree- convenient and easy to shoot

by bj @, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 19:25 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

At a recent CSA I was watching someone shoot an M1 carbine, and I remember shooting one long ago. Then I realized that the current 16" AR is the "M1 carbine" of our current time. It is short, light, easy to shoot, it does everything that the M1 carbine did and does it better.

The few 16" AR's that I've shot were easy to shoot and very accurate. And what people do in highpower rifle competition with the stock-looking 20" AR's is very amazing, out to 600 yards or farther. And also amazing is that you don't have to do much to a stock AR to make it work very well in highpower competition.

I agree- convenient and easy to shoot

by Alfred John, Monday, October 08, 2012, 10:10 (4431 days ago) @ bj

One thing about the M1-Carbines, I have probably watched every 1950's terrible Sci_Fiction moves made. I never realized the M1-Carbine was such a devistating rifle for shooting invading space aliens. Who would have thought? Just had to mention it. Of course in the movie (THEM) which is about giant ants, they did use some Thompsons as well. Enjoy the day................

Still plenty of things about the design I curse.

by cas, Sunday, October 07, 2012, 19:47 (4432 days ago) @ Byron

Every time there's a simple problem that I could clear by sticking my finger in the action and flicking out the round…. only I can't because the port is too small to bet my finger in. Would it have killed them to make the port a tiny bit bigger?


I just sold two complete lowers yesterday, but not because I couldn't get my finger in the port. :-D

AR thoughts.........

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Monday, October 08, 2012, 18:57 (4431 days ago) @ Byron

I've got two currently, one 18" heavy barreled .223 version that I normally have a 1.5-5x scope on, but swap out a 4.5-14x for coyote season.

The other is a 16" in .300 blackout. It's fun to play with, either shooting hot 125gr TNT's or 220+gr subsonics through my suppressor. It wears the same 1.5-5x scope.

As money comes available, I plan on building another 16" gun, but this one will be a .223 with a midlength gas system. Figure another low powered variable and ill be happy.

I do like the red dot for quick shooting and I can shoote irons fairly decently but have trouble with a red dot at distance; even cranked down real low I'm becoming a very big fan of lower powered variable scopes these days.

Been hunting with one or two of them myself.

by Flatlander, Tuesday, October 09, 2012, 21:57 (4430 days ago) @ Byron

And trying to learn to use one in the same manner that one uses a handgun. Have a 16" midlength Bravo upper on a Legion lower with an Eotech on top that gets swapped with a Zeiss 3-9x36 in QD mounts. Runs 100%. Also another carbine that I use with a 22 kit. Ethan shoots a CMMG 22LR dedicated upper on a RRA lower, fitted with a bipod and an Eotech - not bad for a 7 year old. He is quite good with it - also shoots a Contender carbine in 22LR and 223, so no lectures ...

Pretty fun, going into the hog woods with one of these. I am going to try a new close range optic pretty soon.

I can vouch for Ethan being pretty good with it!

by Rob Leahy ⌂ @, Prescott, Arizona, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 17:23 (4428 days ago) @ Flatlander

While at Raton, It was so fun to watch that little guy where out two grown adult men as he burned through bricks of ammo. Scott Ambler and mark had band aids on their thumbs:-)

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