That bug me until I try them. Lately I have been having a desire to duplicate the old original loadings in the .44 Special and the .45 Colt. I have had this idea of loading and shooting them, seeing how my guns feel and handle with the originals.

Both were originally loaded with black powder and while I can do that, I am really not sure I want shoot black powder through my pistols and then deal with the necessary cleanup afterwards. I probably will end up doing that one of these days.

The .44 Special was originally loaded with 26 gr. of black powder while the .45 Colt was loaded with 40 grains black. The modern solid-head .45 Colt cases will not accept 40 gr. of black powder and still seat the bullet to the overall length of the original, 1.6 inches. The old cases had a lot more capacity.

I loaded some original blackpowder loads many years ago and shot them in my old 1st Generation Colt SAA .45. I had a large Hereford cow in my herd that had not given me a calf for three years so I decided we were gonna eat her. When the butcher came out I asked him if he minded me putting her down and he said he didn't. I had the old Colt loaded with balloon-head cases and the Lyman #454190 bullet. I put some range cubes on the ground and when she put her head down to eat some of them I shot her right in the sweet spot. She didn't know what hit her. The bullet went clean through her head and into the ground.

The original smokeless powder loads can be duplicated with Bullseye powder. The 34th edition of the Ideal Loading Handbook (1940) lists the charges with the then-available smokeless powders.

I have balloon-head cases for the .45 Colt but only 1 or 2 for the .44 Special. And they are old enough now that I really don't want to shoot them. But simply reducing the powder charges slightly will get me where I want to go. I decided on 5.0 gr. of Bullseye for the .44 Special and 6.0 gr. of Bullseye for the .45 Colt. I may want to reduce that powder charge in the .44 Special by a half grain or so. I will know after I shoot some. I made the decision to go with 5.0 gr. after reading the Lyman 1950's and 1960's loading manuals. We will see.

In the .45 Colt I am using Lyman #454190 which is their copy of the original Colt bullet. In the .44 Special I am using the Lee 240-429 bullet which is their copy of the original .44 Special bullet.

USFA .44 Special

Cimarron .45 Colt

These should be fun to shoot and hopefully will be accurate to boot. I will post the results when I get to shoot them. Right now the weather is not what I want to shoot in. And I am trying to get a couple grandsons ready for Deer Season. But the Good Lord willing I will get the shooting done since I have been thinking about this for some time.

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I have a lot of Red Dot and not much Bullseye, but your loads are the same as mine with just the powders switched.

In 45 Colt most loads are either 8.0 to 8.5 gr of Unique/Universal with a Keith bullet or 6.0gr Red Dot with a 250-260gr RNFP.

In 44 Special Keith bullets are loaded with 7.5gr of Unique/Universal or a 245gr RNFP with 5.0gr of red Dot.

A while back I got a Cimarron 1872 open top 44 Special. I didn’t want to hot rod it any so I shot a few factory loads from Winchester. I found 4.5gr of Red Dot with the 245gr RNFP was almost an exact Duplicate. So that is my standard loading in the open top, although it does get 5.0 gr from time to time.

I think it was, and he said that 5.0 gr. of Bullseye may just be the most accurate load ever in the .44 Special. He was shooting 5 or 6 different .44 Specials, testing various factory and handloads.

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That USFA revolver is really nice, wish they made it in 41 Special, even with crappy eyes I would buy it.

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Semi related is. Neat video I watched today.

https://youtu.be/0-CYmXN41hU?si=Ih95x6WhLHIfJGPX

Some experiments with the three original “most powerful handguns”

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Thanks Doug!

of that Walker with round ball loads. Interesting to see the chronograph screens moving around with each shot.

And home-made at that. Properly made it will have more power than the commercial stuff and apparently it does.

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That is good to know. The Red Dot load has worked well for me for a long time. Back when you could get reasonably priced bulk cast bullets it was my go to with various 240gr bullets. I bought an Arsenal Molds 245gr RNFP mold a while back so I can easily differentiate between the lighter and heavier molds.

I have watched the YouTube channel he mentioned, Everything Black Powder for awhile now. I like the host, he’s very straightforward and doesn’t seem to hold back any secrets on what ratios he uses and his various methods. If you were to watch one of his later videos, he’d probably lose you if you don’t already make black powder or haven’t watched his earlier ‘how to’ videos. He doesn’t go over much of the how but does give the ‘what’ when talking about new ratios or carbon sources. I think he uses Swiss or Goex as his baseline on how fast and clean his home made powders are. He has had some interesting videos on using different charcoal sources and how they affect the performance.

I would love to make my own BP but have neither the time or space to devote to it at present.

Here is a link to his channel (I think)

https://youtube.com/@everythingblackpowder?si=TSwGqDVBuRnExuke

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