12-gauge BP shotgun
by AaronB, Monday, May 05, 2025, 12:28 (6 days ago)
Hi all.
I have acquired a CVA 12-gauge muzzle-stuffer shotgun with percussion cap ignition.
How do you go about feeding these things...?
-AaronB
Number 1 - Learn what the heck a DRAM is.
by JimT, Texas, Monday, May 05, 2025, 12:51 (6 days ago) @ AaronB
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Ele era velho.
Ele era corajoso.
Ele era feio.
There's a guy on YT with a channel
by JohnKDM, Monday, May 05, 2025, 13:44 (6 days ago) @ AaronB
called cap&ball. He's in Hungary and his enthusiasm is infectious! Quite good!
Quite a few BP videos, including hunting with ML shotguns.
Betcha can't just watch one...
improvised shot
by AaronB, Monday, May 05, 2025, 13:59 (6 days ago) @ JohnKDM
I was telling a friend of mine that back in the day, if you couldn't get lead shot and you were desperate to defend hearth & home, you might load it with most anything that would fit... bent nails, pebbles, broken glass... stuff guaranteed to make an impression anyway.
-AaronB
A shotgun is the most versatile of hand held weapons
by JimT, Texas, Monday, May 05, 2025, 15:52 (6 days ago) @ AaronB
It can be made to perform in many different ways and for many different needs ... from armor piercing to flame-thrower and all kinds of stuff in between.
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Ele era velho.
Ele era corajoso.
Ele era feio.
Way back in the 20th Century...
by Paul , Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 09:26 (5 days ago) @ AaronB
we improvised muzzle loading shotguns and then improvised a variety of items to project from them. While testing out the barrel material we used a home made mold made of two blocks of hardwood with a cavity made by drilling between them with a spade bit and whittling out the bottom side to convert to a cone instead of a spike. As might be expected, cylindrical projectiles from a smooth bore have a tendency to tumble. We managed to scrounge some leaden spheres of diminutive size by saving our cruzeiros and spending them at the general store, but FFFg of Elefante or Rinoceronte brand took precedence over lead. A fist full of pea gravel was often used. I'm sure we kept our guardian angels working overtime to keep those loads from bridging and causing catastrophic expansion of the bore. We repurposed fireworks powder by combining both the coarse propulsion powder and the fine payload powder, duplex loads with out knowledge of Dick Cassul and others who were playing with much more elegant versions in fixed ammo instead of front stuffers. We had a grand time until Mom found out how much fun we were having and put an end to such endeavors. Still have all my fingers, both eyes and even some hearing. Yep, you can do a LOT of improvisation with front stuffers and the proper (or even improper) propellant. After seeing what passed for "safe" barrels in the Amazon Basin area, it cracks me up to see folks up north worrying about the safety of modern heavy steel barrels, either smooth or rifled.
improvised shot
by RayLee, Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 09:55 (5 days ago) @ AaronB
The lad thought his dad was seven foot tall and three and a half wide with jaw and chest like cheyenne clint walker. The little fellow was of an age that he aped his dad's every move and tried to parrot his every word.
Then one day the herd bull acted a fool and went through three strands of wire and destroyed some chuting and chased some of the help up onto a hauler trailer before defiantly bellowing challenges from atop a dungheap. The rancher was called-in from his day job in town to address the calamity and the little fellow swelled in pride as he watched his dad load the old fowling piece and teach the beast some manners. At the shots, right and left, the bull promptly returned to his proper place in a most humble fashion.
A fortnight or so later the rancher was again called home from town with the bad news that the bull had been shot and was expected to die. A further shock came to the man when he was informed that his little son had been seen with a shotgun early that very morning. The man went to the schoolhouse and had the principal fetch the boy from class. When queried, the lad admitted to his misdemeanor(s).
"pa, I was waiting for the school bus when that confounded bull busted out again and there he was up on that dungheap just a bellowing away. I ran back in the house and fetched the 16 gauge and did just like you did."
The man, with misty eyes, gently tossled his son's hair and said "son, them shells I used was loaded only with okra seed !"
12-gauge BP shotgun
by RayLee, Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 10:52 (5 days ago) @ AaronB
Once upon a time there was a michigan firm that imported sheet metal and spot-welded muzzleloading 12 bores from pakistan and advertised them as "no f.f.l. required" without bothering to inform that they were indeed muzzleloaders. A coworker bought one and did not quite understand how to make it work.
Using a .44 special case for a charger,two throws of coarse black looked about right. Straight from the William Hovey Smith book on the subject, a .45 colt case full of hominy grits went on top of the powder for a buffer. Then a cotton ball wad followed by two .45 colt cases of fine shot followed by an overshot wad of another cotton ball fattened by a cleaning patch. The pattern on a medium pizza box was surprisingly sufficiently adequate at 15 paces.
Then the coworker confessed that he was a plumbophobe.....that is to say, irrationally afraid of lead. The instructions that came from pakistan forbad the use of steel shot. The coworker balked at the cost of non-ferrous, lead-free alternatives.
So I was given custody of the beast for several years. According to the instructions, I never did try fine steel shot but a 11/16" steel ball was easily fattened-up to bore size with cloth patching. The steel balls gave no evidences of contacting the bore after firing.
12-gauge BP shotgun
by Bob Hatfield , Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 07:17 (4 days ago) @ AaronB
Look up the "SKYCHIEF LOAD"
Bob
12-gauge BP shotgun
by Slow Hand
, Indiana, Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 09:27 (4 days ago) @ AaronB
I used to have a really informal site saved back when I was loading BP shot shells for CAS. I can’t find it at present.
Bird the main think I remember is you generally use equal volumes of shot and powder. And a quick search finds there is basically 27 gr in a dram. So look at most modern shot shell boxes and they still give a dram equivalent load.
You’ll want fiber cushion wads between powder and shot and you’ll need a card wad over your shot. Circle Fly used to be the go to for wads but I’m sure there are plenty of sources these days. Ballistic Priduxts Inc has a lot of shotgun loading stuff.
Is it a single or a double? Doubles take a bit more care in loading as you want to make sure all the stuff on the second barrel stays out when recooking from the first barrel!
You might look in the back of a Sixie Gunwoms cat along as well, they had plenty of good reference data in them.
"Sixie Gunwoms cat" ... OK...
by Paul , Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 14:20 (4 days ago) @ Slow Hand
LOL! What can I say?
by Slow Hand
, Indiana, Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 19:19 (4 days ago) @ Paul
I was supposed to be working, so typing fast and not proofreading!
HA! Between you and Rob...
by Hoot , Diversityville, Liberal-sota, Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 19:54 (4 days ago) @ Slow Hand
I've had to learn another language!
Sure didn´t look like anything I´d normally come across.(nt)
by Paul , Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 20:33 (4 days ago) @ Slow Hand
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Dixie Gunworks catalog…
by Slow Hand
, Indiana, Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 21:17 (4 days ago) @ Paul
In case you hadn’t figured it out yet….
Oh, I knew immediately
by Paul , Wednesday, May 07, 2025, 21:21 (4 days ago) @ Slow Hand
what it was supposed to be, but you had me giggling over the obvious typo! And I sure hope you can´t actually blame it on auto correct!!!
Sixie Gunworms
by AaronB, Thursday, May 08, 2025, 07:13 (3 days ago) @ Slow Hand
You realize, of course, that from now on in my head it'll be "Sixie Gunworms," right?
Just like GunBroker.com became BunGroper.com.
-AaronB