Dominican? Really?

by Paul ⌂, Friday, November 22, 2024, 07:38 (29 days ago)

Last night we ran into a retired colonel of the national police force while walking our dogs in the park. We've gotten to know him and his wife (also of the police force) since they moved into the neighborhood and we chat while our dogs do what dogs do when given the freedom to do so. Last night, for example, Biscuit found a couple of mangoes under the tree and lay down to enjoy them while Blackie supervised and Roco looked bored. In the meantime, we chatted.

He showed me a video of his son field stripping a Galil, his son was just commissioned an officer in the national naval force. We got to chatting about firearms and I asked him about Colombia's use of the M1 carbine, as I've not seen one n decades and that one was a one time sighting in a small town on the other side of the central Andes mountain range. He mentioned the "San Cristobal", a "carabina" I'd never heard of. Turns out it uses 7.62X33mm ammo, better known to the denizens of this forum as "30 Carbine". He then did a quick search and turned up some pictures of it, like this one:

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So when we got back home I did a quick search. Select fire (although semi-auto only also produced) - in the Dominican Republic, of all places! I'd no idea they'd had their own "military industry" of sorts. So I learned a couple things last night. There was an alternative "30 Carbine" shooting 30 Carbine ammo, and it was used by diverse forces in Central and South America, as well as the Caribbean.

"What an ugly rifle." I commented to my wife. "I can't believe you'd say that about a gun!" she replied. "There's a lot of them out there, but they are still fascinating." was my retort. The colonel tells me that there are still some of the old San Cristobals in the arms lockers of the police force, but they don't get used much any more.

A blowback. 90% of the action is the recoil spring!

by JimT, Texas, Friday, November 22, 2024, 07:43 (29 days ago) @ Paul

Not sure I'd like that in my face ... though the end-cap looks sturdy.

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A blowback. 90% of the action is the recoil spring!

by Paul ⌂, Friday, November 22, 2024, 08:23 (29 days ago) @ JimT

They say there's a lever in there assisting the blowback delay. Seems it might be susceptible to dirt/corrosion/etc and require good maintenance to keep it functioning relatively safely. But that's just supposition after a quick look at images of the bolt online. Forgotten Weapons has a bunch of images available for the curious. And I finally got around to looking for a video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtWEBcIP09E

It must be very accurate.

by AaronB, Friday, November 22, 2024, 07:59 (29 days ago) @ Paul

It's unusual to see double-set triggers on a semi-auto.

:-D

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It must be very accurate.

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Friday, November 22, 2024, 08:27 (29 days ago) @ AaronB

Funny stuff! Without looking into it, I’m assuming one is semi and the other is full auto like the Beretta Subguns of the mid 30’s.

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Yep. (nt)

by Paul ⌂, Friday, November 22, 2024, 08:39 (29 days ago) @ Slow Hand

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Here's another...

by Paul ⌂, Friday, November 22, 2024, 08:38 (29 days ago) @ AaronB

Here's another...

by A K Church, Saturday, November 23, 2024, 01:37 (28 days ago) @ Paul

Dominican Republic also made an M14/FAL clone, looked like an M14 but wasn't.

Your gun was made at San Cristobal, and is usually called the Cristobal Carbine. It's a lever delayed blowback .30 Carbine firing from an open bolt, so you could call it an assault rifle, but some folks consider it an SMG due to the open bolt. Made as a fixed and folding stock gun.

Pal Kiraly designed it. Hungarian. Worked for SIG in the 20s and 30s, went back to Hungary to work for Danuvia in WWII.

SMGs were his thing. He devised a carbine looking looking, very fast firing SMG for SIG. MKMO if memory serves me right, and some were sold to The Vatican of all places. Using a lever delayed blowback.

Hungary got a quite large, long barreled SMG in 9x25 Mauser "Export". Picture .38 Super and then some. Made as a fixed and folding stock gun in small numbers, it had a good reputation for reliability on the Eastern Front.

His 1950s design for the Dominican is visually a copy of a the Beretta M38 SMG series, ugly but very well regarded. Near straight line stock, dual triggers for semi and full auto. The Dominican sold a fair many all over the Caribbean in dribs and drabs, and used it themselves.

I had a chance to look at a parts kit once, taken from a well used gun. Finish was in bad shape, but the quality of machining was high. The magazine was a proper double position feed, thick at the feed lips, and way better shaped the the 30 round M1 carbine mags.

They aren't well known in the US. The only movie where I've seen them show up was the William Friedkin effort "Sorcerer".

Dominican? Really?

by Gunner @, St Louis, Friday, November 22, 2024, 13:26 (29 days ago) @ Paul

Gotta agree with Jim, wouldn't want that thing anywhere near my face :-(

They took a decent looking rifle, ran it thru a blender with an AK 47 and that popped out.

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