http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/gunmaker-smith-and-wesson-to-change-name-to-am...

IT SAYS THE FIREARMS DIVISION WILL KEEP THE SMITH & WESSON NAME.

Some things are better left alone!

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another holding corp ... the real issue for S&W is they seem to be on the retreat rather than advancing in the market place... Ruger is cleaning their clock.

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they'd go back to making real revolvers, like M19 2.5", instead of plastic fantasic 9mm's it would help.

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There'd be no locks on the revolvers. There'd be a Model 58 style model in .45 ACP and .45 Colt. The Model 19 would be back in 2.5 and 4 inch.

fixed sight 4" blue sitting at Bucky O'Neill Guns for 699.00 It has the lock, can't do it...

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I can't fathom why S&W seems to have such a disconnect regarding the keylock feature. They currently offer several J-frame revolvers without it, so apparently it's not an all or nothing issue.
The customer base that would be the most interested in their "Classic" series is probably the least likely to tolerate the key lock that all those revolvers currently have. I know that my personal resistance would be greatly weakened if the hole went away, and I can think of a few things I'd like to see them make that would get my money.

In the 70's I shot a Model 58 that had been professionally converted/rebored to 45 Colt. It belonged to a FFL pal and he was kind enough to turn a 17 year old kid loose behind the shop with a custom sixgun and a box of Super X 45 Colts. It shot high but in all other respects was the finest, slickest S&W I ever fired- and it ruined me for everything else.

share. Ruger is doing their Gun of the Week thing while stogy old S&W is biting the dust...

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To expand on what Tom wrote, I don't want the lock on any Smith, and I especially don't want the lock on their Classic revolvers.

We sell five Ruger revolvers for every Smith, probably more than that. Part is perceived value, part is the higher price, but the overall reason seems to be that the Rugers are bull-strong.

I will allow that J-frames outsell LCRs, but I only order in the versions without locks. We seldom sell any J-frames with hammers, btw.

Otony

Remember guys, it was the company that makes the locks that bought S&W a few years ago.

Which is roughly equivalent to Playboy being purchased by the Southern Baptists. Nice people and all, but the end product has less appeal to the core market.

I feel the same way about what S&W has done with their revolver line, as I did about what Winchester did with the 94, for a decade before discontinuing it. In both cases, features were added that rendered the product undesirable to me; and in both cases, my money invariably went for used examples unmolested by modern stupidity. It ain't that I'm mad at them, I'm simply not spending money for BS I don't want.

I read tales from the twenties and thirties about Hamer and Bryce and wish I could buy a fixed sight large bore revolver over the counter these days. I had a Model 58, but let it get away from twenty some years back. Today, with the exception of the 625 and 25, large bores seem to be available in single actions or five shot pocket models. I was born too late.

Tony, your experience parallels ours - "no-lock" 642's and 442's sell well while the rest is hit and miss. However, when a decent pre-lock S&W hits the shelf, it usually doesn't stay there very long.

Exactly my thoughts Sarge. I've got two S&Ws with the lock and have removed both. I won't be buying any more.

Dean

with my 1926 HEs in 44 spl a Colt New Service Target in 45 Coltetc... they are out there, one just has to look. <y nickle 1926 cost about the same as the used . NEW S&W M22 with lock...

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a good straight Astra DA 45 Colt, a Brownell's account and a vivid imagination ;)

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/14299648

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Nice piece. "No California Sales"

wow, great price.

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Smith needs to offer what shooters want to buy instead of what S&W wants the shooters to buy.

It really is that simple at the end of the day. "Shooters" also includes the Police and the Military. The game was theirs to lose.