Quirks of Lymans 452664 for the 45 colt
by Sarge 
, Central Misery, Thursday, October 22, 2015, 19:28 (3324 days ago)
edited by Sarge, Thursday, October 22, 2015, 19:32
I'm loading these for a 4 1/2" Bounty Hunter. The revolver has a tight barrel-cylinder gap and produces velocity is entirely consistent with what I've seen in Ruger SA's up to 5 1/2 inches. It is also proving to be just as accurate.
Oddly, it's taking at least a grain more HP38 to get the 452664 to the velocity I was getting from MO Bullet's 250 RNFP, chrono'ed from the same gun. I bought this bullet for a do-all and I want at least 850 fps from that load.
Comparing 452664 to similar weight RNFP and SWC bullets reveals that 452664 has about as much bullet outside the case as SWC's of the same weight. The SWC's also run noticeably slower for me, charge for charge.
Early results indicate that it is shooting only about half as well as the Missouri bullet RNFP. I learned just the other day that the design is less than 20 years old and was contrived for the tin cowboy shooters. I suspect it wasn't designed with top velocity or fine accuracy in mind. Kind of a shame because the bullet looks good has a nice big meplant. I'll probably give the Lee 45-255-RF a try next. It has an even bigger meplat and it's a good proven 45 Colt bullet.
I mostly just ruminating here but any thoughts on this are appreciated.
Quirks of Lymans 452664 for the 45 colt
A slight change in the crimp will loose velocity and give decreased accuracy. Something to consider. J.Michael
Quirks of Lymans 452664 for the 45 colt
by Sarge , Central Misery, Friday, October 23, 2015, 20:09 (3323 days ago) @ uncowboy
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I finally threw a mic on these bullets today... froghair over 0.450" is all they read. I don't cast, bought them from a commercial caster.
Given the EAA's generous throats, they were practically rattling out the cylinder and into the bore however they landed.
I was shooting horrible groups offhand with it, so I fired a rested group at 25 yards. If you told me any bullet shot this bad from a passably accurate revolver, I'd have laughed at you.
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I also grabbed a handful of 45 Colts loaded with MO Bullet's 225 grain 'Flathead' over 7.1 grains of HP38. These bullets mic'ed .453 and shot up to the revolver's potential, despite the round I tossed right.
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These bullets were simply duds. I've only had two bad batches in 40 years of reloading, so I count myself lucky.
There you go, problem is under size bullets
by Cherokee , Medina, Ohio, Friday, October 23, 2015, 22:01 (3323 days ago) @ Sarge
I would contact the suppler and get those replaced and make sure you get the correct size to fit the cylinder throats. Hopefully they are larger than the barrel bore.
Quirks of Lymans 452664 for the 45 colt
by Slow Hand , Indiana, Saturday, October 24, 2015, 06:09 (3322 days ago) @ Sarge
Wow! That is as bad as the 6 cavity Lee mold I bought a few years back. It is a six cavity 125 gr 9mm mold. I cast up a pile and then used them as my first powder coating experiment. I loaded up about 3-400 of them and took them out. Couldn't hit the board side of a barn with them. I blamed the powder coating at first, until I miles some
Of the as cast Bullets. They were running .351-352! I contacted Lee, who have always been very good on customer service before, and they didn't seem real interested in helping me out. Figure I'll hang onto it for something, parts and scrap aluminum if nothing else...
Quirks of Lymans 452664 for the 45 colt
by Sarge , Central Misery, Saturday, October 24, 2015, 06:59 (3322 days ago) @ Sarge
Thanks for your replies. The remaining 300 of these fishing sinkers were sold on to a party who ain't real concerned with accuracy.
I saw nothing to be gained from contacting the caster (Western Bullet Co of Missoula MT). I like to have never got the damned things in the first place. I'd been eyeing this bullet awhile and waited until the web store showed ample stock. I ordered 400, waited a week and got no shipping confirmation. I tried emailing and calling. The emails went unanswered and the listed phone went to a fax.
I finally got a call in and was told 'somebody walked in and bought up every bullet in the place'- apparently including the ones I already paid for. Grrrr... I was told the bullets were being run now, would ship the following Tuesday and I'd receive shipping confirmation. Another week passed, still no bullets or shipping confirmation. I'd paid via PayPal so I sic'ed them on him, which finally got the bullets shipped.
I'm sure the guy has made zillions of great bullets and has some satisfied customers. I am not among them.
In all fairness to the bullet & maker...
by Sarge , Central Misery, Sunday, October 25, 2015, 11:55 (3321 days ago) @ Sarge
My little Rossi 92 put three of them in three inches at 100 yards this AM. I just need a bullet that will work in both guns and this one ain't it.