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by stonecoldrc, Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 15:07 (3310 days ago)

I have a S&W Model 17-4 with a problem. Double action shooting is fine. When shooting single action the problem starts. When the trigger is pulled, the hammer seems to catch on the way down. Either stops partway down or falls jerkily and does not fire the cartridge. Ideas about what is wrong?

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by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 18:21 (3310 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

Sounds like a burr somewhere inside. Have you had it apart? If not, anything on the hammer where it looks to be rubbing? Does it do it with the grips off?

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by stonecoldrc, Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 19:38 (3310 days ago) @ Slow Hand

I have not taken the sideplate off or anything other than pull off the grips. It still does it with the grips off. If I pull the trigger hard (yank it all the way to the rear of the trigger guard and hold it there) the hammer will fall all the way down. If I press the trigger normally, the hammer hangs up or falls in a jerky fashion. Gun is clean.

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by Murphy @, Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 21:05 (3310 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

Before removing the sideplate, try this. Cock the gun and gently press on the hammer with your thumb. If the hammer goes forward, you have what is called 'hammer push off'. If this is the case, you have a hammer/trigger sear mating issue.

Murphy

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by stonecoldrc, Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 11:18 (3310 days ago) @ Murphy

Hammer push off is not the problem. It stays cocked when some pressure is applied to the hammer.

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by Catoosa, Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 09:16 (3310 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

Also make sure the adjustable trigger stop (I think the 17 has one - it's the little lever-looking thingie in the back of the trigger guard) has not gotten out of adjustment. Loosen the stop and push it all the way back and see if that stops the glitch. If it does, the trigger stop has moved too far forward and is not giving a clean release.

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by stonecoldrc, Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 11:22 (3310 days ago) @ Catoosa

It does have a trigger stop. I loosened the screw and pushed it all the way back before retightening it. That did not help either. I do appreciate the tip as that was something I had not thought about. When I press the trigger while the hammer is cocked it feels as though the trigger is wanting to come forward as the hammer is falling and they catch on each other. If I yank the trigger all the way back to the trigger guard the hammer will fall ok. However, this is not a good way to hit anything. Might be time for the gunsmith.

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by Brian A, Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 13:19 (3309 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

I would pull the side plate off and cycle the action while watching the parts move. It could be as simple as some dirt in the action, or as complicated as a broken single action sear face. It could be some old oil or grease gumming up the action, something out of place, etc. The only way to tell would be to pull the side plate and observe it. If you are not comfortable pulling the side plate, by all means, find an honest, competent 'smith to look at it. It is much better to pay someone for their expertise and time, than to ruin an otherwise good gun by improperly disassembling or reassembling it.

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by stonecoldrc, Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 16:47 (3309 days ago) @ Brian A

Thank you Brian. I will try that.

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by jgt, Friday, October 23, 2015, 18:33 (3307 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

I've been out of pocket for four days so just saw your post. First I would see if I could get my hands on a Jerry Kuhnhausen manual on Smith & Wessons. If not, go on line and look at some tutorials on disassembling a K-frame. Nearly all Smith & Wessons are similar so once you can disassemble one you are pretty well prepared for most of their revolvers you encounter. I would take it apart. Clean it. Get rid of all the old grease and oil. Use a very light lube on all the friction points but only enough so it isn't completely dry. Reassemble it. If the problem still exists it is a mechanical problem and you need a gunsmith. Most of the problems with these guns are a result of someone attempting to fix what isn't broke. I'm not saying don't attempt to fix you own gun. I am saying if you attempt it, do your homework first. Good luck, you have one of the best guns Smith & Wesson ever produced.

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by jgt, Friday, October 23, 2015, 18:52 (3307 days ago) @ jgt

The troubles you describe could be more than one. It is hard to troubleshoot one without seeing it function. The feeling that the trigger is trying to come forward when the hammer is falling would send me looking at the main spring and the mainspring tension. It sounds like someone has changed the main spring and also has the wrong tension on the new one. Some Smith & Wessons are picky about their mainspring. In an attempt to get a better trigger pull some people replace the mainspring and also attempt to loosen the tension screw in the grip frame. You are better served with a standard mainspring and good tension on the screw than to try to lesson the trigger pull with a lighter spring. Those issues can be addressed by going to a lighter trigger return spring and polishing its housing inside and out. I am only guessing as I can not see the gun. Good luck.

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by Brian A, Sunday, October 25, 2015, 09:12 (3306 days ago) @ jgt

I fully agree with JGT regarding mainsprings. The best S&W actions I have ever used had their full power mainsprings and the tension screws were fully tight. Light mainsprings or loosened tension screws can create some funky results in some guns. There are a lot of moving parts in the revolver and making sure they all move as they should is far more important than spring tension or sear faces. The Kuhnhausen service manuals are well worth their cost for playing around inside a gun.

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by stonecoldrc, Sunday, October 25, 2015, 11:55 (3306 days ago) @ Brian A

Thanks to you and to jgt. I am going to take the side plate off and see what is happening inside. I have a manual and have watched the process on youtube. I have taken several single actions down and plenty of automatics, but S&W revolvers are new. Mainspring screw is tight and mainspring looks to be the same as the one in my other K-22 (it works fine). Will see what gives when I get inside. Thank you.

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by stonecoldrc, Sunday, October 25, 2015, 17:22 (3305 days ago) @ stonecoldrc

Took the sideplate off and thoroughly cleaned the "innards". Used a little lube on some areas and put it back together. It works fine now. Will have to shoot it more to see it the fix lasts, but good for 50+ rounds this afternoon. Amazing how well these revolvers can shoot. Was shooting at a beer can at 100 yards some and hit it several times in two cylinders full. Other shots very close. Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it.

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