1911 field gun do I go with .38 Super or 10mm?
by Rob Leahy , Prescott, Arizona, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:19 (3926 days ago)
For a flat shooting hard hitting 1911 ield gun do I go with 10mm or the .38 Super? Or 460 Rowland?
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Depends what it's purpose is...
by woody, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:32 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
For small game or varmints I would say .38 super. If deer or other big game 10mm. Both are excellent for 2 legged problems. Two oft favorite calibers. I carry my 10mm afield a lot. That is what it's main purpose is for me.
.460 Rowland
by Murphy , Saturday, February 15, 2014, 12:10 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
John Taffin did a great article on the .460 Rowland. While I don't currently own anything in .460 Rowland, it has always been the one I would pick.
I've never given much thought or looked into the 10MM's. I don't see the .38 Super as being in the same class as the .460 Rowland for power.
Here's the link to John's article.
http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt460r.htm
Note: I've long entertained the thought of owning a 1911 setup with 3 top ends. A .22 Lr, .45 Auto and the .460 Rowland. What's not to like about a package like that?
Murphy
9x23
by cas, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 12:29 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
I say that because I've long wanted one for no good reason. "Field gun" (despite a box full of revolvers that can do the job) is the closest excuse I've come up with.
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by uncowboy, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 12:44 (3926 days ago) @ cas
I am 10mm all the way. I shoot 10mm XTP in 180gr and 200gr in my Muzzleloader and have killed many deer with it does a great job. J.Michael
In Glocks no?
by cas, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 12:59 (3926 days ago) @ uncowboy
I have big hands and usually like big guns, but can't get used to the the large frame Glocks. The SF's are a little better, but still icky poo.
Since I don't need one (already have a .44 Spec)
by Hobie , Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 13:38 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
I'd get one of each.
Honestly, the .45 ACP might be considered borderline legal in this state ("Cartridges used must be .23 caliber or larger and have a manufacturer's rating of 350 foot-pounds muzzle energy or more.") but will do with factory ammo I carry. I kinda like the .45 ACP and got the CCO to be useful in that regard as well as being a good concealed carry piece. So for me, the .45 ACP is just fine.
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Sincerely,
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1911 field gun do I go with .38 Super or 10mm?
by Cherokee , Medina, Ohio, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 14:05 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
I would go with the 10mm. Not familar with .460R but 38S not good for other than people and small game. I liked the 10mm that I had, it was flat shooting & accurate.
38 Super, 10mm or 460?
by Todd C , Saturday, February 15, 2014, 14:24 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
Rob,
I have no experience with the 460, but from what I've seen it would be interesting to say the least.
The 38 Super is another with limited experience. It really does run well with the lighter bullets.
I'm most familiar with the 10mm, and if given the choice, would probably get the nod. There is a plethora of good "defense" bullets out there for the 40, and being into the 38-40, I shot hardcast thru the 10. Even with the 230 grain bullet, it will still step them out at 1100. (double tap even lists a factory 230 at 1120) With the light bullets over 1500 fps, it would give you a bit of both, velocity on the one end and a good heavy bullet on the other, combined with my preference that bullets starting with .4 in the designation are interesting.
All the best
1911 field gun do I go with .38 Super or 10mm?
by Catoosa, Saturday, February 15, 2014, 20:38 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
No experience here with the.460 and very limited with the 10mm, but I have become a great fan of the .38 Super since buying my first in 2011. My primary use for it is as a "field gun", and it is dandy for that. The only caveat is that it takes handloads to get the most out of the cartridge - most factory .38 Super is barely hotter than 9mm. I haven't tried the Buffalo Bore or Cor-bon ammo, but those might be respectable.
I have found that I can hit stuff "way out past Ft. Mudge" with the .38 Super more consistently with my Colt than with most any other handgun. I just hate losing that pretty, expensive, nickle-plated Starline Super Comp brass in the puckerbrush....
I would vote 10mm, mostly
by bj2, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 00:38 (3926 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
If you were buying a new gun I would say go with 10mm.
It seems that 460R is a conversion from a standard .45ACP, in which case if you already had a good 1911 to use for conversion, this would be a less expensive route.
Here's a nice 10mm
by Slow Hand , Indiana, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 07:54 (3925 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
I know this guy and he's local to me. Might even be able to get a better deal for you!
http://ingunowners.com/forums/handguns-pistols-revolvers/334012-kimber-tle-rl-10mm.html
1911 field gun do I go with .38 Super or 10mm?
by RidinLou, Middle TN, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 08:47 (3925 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
As I say about my 44 Maggies and is true here, you can load the 460 Rowland and 10mm DOWN to those levels, but you sure can't load the 38Super or 9mms UP.
Only shot a Super about 500 times.....
by Otony, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 13:15 (3925 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
......and it didn't seem like "all that much" compared to a 10mm, which I've shot bunches more. As Lou stated, you can load he 10 down but the Super is limited in comparison.
BTW, I have a new Para-USA LS Elite Hunter 10mm which seems to be the epitome of semi-auto field pistols.
Or, just to confuse the issue, get a Coonan!
Otony
To me a Super is a +p+ 9mm - I'd go for more bullet weight
by stonewalrus, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 14:10 (3925 days ago) @ Otony
Nm
A big factor in the "field gun' issue
by Catoosa, Monday, February 17, 2014, 15:50 (3924 days ago) @ stonewalrus
is where the field is. My field is middle Tennessee/southern Appalachian mountains. There's not much around here that can't be handled with a medium-weight, flat-shooting bullet. Think .357 Magnum and then put it in a flat-easy-to-carry autoloader.
Now, if I was to go messin' around out west where the critters likely to be encountered were bigger and hairier, I would CERTAINLY agree that more whomp 'em is necessary. In that case the 10mm would be the thing. I am well known to be a fan of the 1911, and the 10mm is kinda hard on the basic 1911 platform. Also, in my limited experience, the 10mm in it's more effective loads wouldn't be a whole bunch of fun to shoot all afternoon.
No doubt Bob Ruark was very correct when he advised "Use Enough Gun", and I doubt that anyone who has ever had to use a gun to save his life has ever felt that he had brought a big enough one. I didn't, and I had the biggest one there. That said, a gun you can and do shoot a lot, and that you are confident you can hit with when necessary, is the best one to have in any situation.
My $0.02 -
If I were going 10mm I'd probably be looking at a
by stonewalrus, Monday, February 17, 2014, 18:40 (3924 days ago) @ Catoosa
Tanfoglio Witness (CZ75 clone). I think it would hold up better than a 1911 in 10mm. They even have a hunter model in 10mm.
I luuuuv that long slide Hunter.
by cas, Monday, February 17, 2014, 22:56 (3924 days ago) @ stonewalrus
But Tanfoglio worries me, I really question the long term durability. (though it reality I probably wouldn't shoot it enough to wear it out).
I have a Witness Limited in 45 ACP that i shoot USPSA Limited-10 with, but I switch guns/divisions a lot and never practice, so it sees maybe 2-5 matches a year. It's holding up fine. But I have a friend who ran a pair of 40'sā¦ he's serious shooter, Master level and on his way up, shoots a lot. He got out of the platform because they just weren't holding up.
Also they're hit and miss. Another friend saw my Limited and rushed out and ordered one for himself. My gun is built much better than his. Kind of sad.
But like I said, I probably wouldn't be burning through many thousands of 10mm's, so it would probably hold up just fine. I just can't see paying for one. Yikes.
Man, I have your solution! .41 AE!
by Andrew , Bloomington, IN, Sunday, February 16, 2014, 18:07 (3925 days ago) @ Rob Leahy
You'll have to bid on it over at Ebay though.