Forensic and firearms wound experts; help wanted, pronto

by John Meeker @, Sunday, February 02, 2014, 09:46 (3953 days ago)

this arrived from a long-time correspondent in South American. We've been in touch over dogs, shotguns, and hunting for years, and I vouch for him as "real and of good character".

here it is:


Hello All,

Please bear with me.

In January 2013 a senior couple was attacked in the middle of the night by leftist terrorists at their farm in the south. The perpetrators set fire to their farmhouse and they both died in the fire.

During the police operative some minutes after the fact but late nevertheless, a known local agitator with a long rap sheet for terrorist activities was found wounded a mile away from the burnt house. He is the only perpetrator in custody. His wound came from a .22lr bullet consistent with the firearm that the deceased farm owner had, a Browning pistol. It has been established by the prosecution that the farm owner managed to shoot at the terrorists with this gun before being burnt.

The defense of the terrorist in custody is questioning that the bullet that wounded the perpetrator came from the Browning pistol based on the lack of nickel in the perpetrators thorax wound.

I would dearly appreciate expert opinions and hopefully scientific data concerning this. I will share this with the prosecution. The trial is about to begin.

(I have not used the word "alleged" because I honestly think it does not apply here).

Best regards,

JC

P.S.:comments concerning the inadequacy of the gun used for defense are not necessary.jc

"lack of nickel" ??

by Miles Fortis ⌂ @, CIVITATES AMERICAE, Sunday, February 02, 2014, 12:11 (3953 days ago) @ John Meeker

What is the scientific premise for 'lack of nickel' in the wound?

If it's anything other than the possibility of a difference of metallurgy in the bullet from the rest of the shooter's ammunition (which is not germane to whether or not the rifling marks on the bullet match the gun), I'd say a defense lawyer is attempting to blow smoke.

"lack of nickel" ??

by John Meeker @, Sunday, February 02, 2014, 12:51 (3953 days ago) @ Miles Fortis

Yup...had the same question, but no answer know to my humble science.will post back to good guy

Forensic and firearms wound experts; help wanted, pronto

by ERSisk, Sunday, February 02, 2014, 13:26 (3953 days ago) @ John Meeker

:stirpot: Assuming this is serious. Not a forensic/wound expert but spent 23 years working in a metallurgical lab. Nickel? I will assume the argument is the bullet could not have come from the Browning Nickel Steel barrel due to a lack of Nickel contamination of the wound. OMG/WTF/ROTFLMAO What method did this shylock use to determine the lack of nickel in the wound. 1. The Browning Nickel steel barrel alloy is what I would consider a low alloy steel with a Nickel content of 2.5 - 3.75%. The nickel is added as an alloy element to increase strength with the added benefit of an increase in corrosion resistance 2. All small arms barrel steels while being relatively soft to facilitate machining and rifling processes are by necessity extremely hard when compared to the lead projectile. How else can thousands of rounds of .22 caliber swaged lead bullets be fired through plain and nickel steel barrels with no appreciable wear. 99.75% lead has a Brinell Hardness Number (BHN) of 3.2 - 4.5, A nickel steel barrel will be 180 - 220 BHN.* 3. Lead is deposited in a barrel primarily from vaporization of the exposed bullet base to the hot gasses generated in the exothermic chemical reaction of the burning powder with a subsequent condensation of lead vapors onto the cooler steel. Another small amount of lead may be deposited due to frictional forces, heat and microscopic imperfections in the barrel scraping away lead. The lead projectile does not scrape away steel with each shot fired. No detectable** amounts of nickel will be transferred to the lead projectile and be evidenced in a wound. 4. ?? Can O Worms ?? Lack of nickel does not prove the Browning was not the firearm used. Not only could the bullet have come from the Browning with no detectable Nickel contamination it could have come from any .22.
* ASME Metals Handbook ** I operated spark emission spectrometers, X-Ray fluorescence spectrographs, Electron microscope with Energy Dispersive Spectrograph, and Inductively coupled plasma atomic emission spectroscope. The reliable detection limits of our equipment for a single element in a matrix was at best 0.0005%. I could find nickel in the bullet, but any nickel present could be attributed to trace elements.

THANK YOU, GENTS..has the defense stymied. due to lack

by John Meeker @, Sunday, February 02, 2014, 16:48 (3953 days ago) @ ERSisk

lack of good forensic common sense on the part of the prosecutors.Will forwrd back..

For youse guys: "Thank you dearly. Juan Carlos" --

by John Meeker @, Monday, February 03, 2014, 08:40 (3952 days ago) @ John Meeker

nt

Forensic and firearms wound experts; help wanted, pronto

by Sarge ⌂ @, Central Misery, Monday, February 03, 2014, 17:47 (3952 days ago) @ John Meeker

Sounds like fertilizer to me.

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