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Range was 50yds, bullet entered left rear shoulder, exited right front shoulder. Left shoulder wrecked.

Since the pics are in the john454 folder, I'm going with .454.

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44 with a 240 xtp

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44 Special with a 250 Keith??

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Projo was jacketed.

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357mag, 180gr Rem JHP, 16.1gr Lil Gun, Ruger bolt rifle. My stepdaughter has three one-shot kills with that combination so far.

She had serious accuracy issues because of a bad shoulder (dislocates easily) - can't stand recoil and flinches horribly. She fired one shot before season last year and said "It doesn't hurt!". Proceeded to outshoot my son-in-law.

I use 15 grains Lil'Gun with the same 180 Remington bullet. Ran 1660 fps from my Marlin. I sold it to Rob Leahy and he said Jan fell in love with it and adopted it. I'm glad she likes it and I regret letting it go now but it's all good. I shot a small button buck with the Marlin and a 158 Speer Mag JSP over 17 grains H110 (which ran 1710 fps) and it entered the front right shoulder and exited the left rear ham and destroyed most everything in its path. Very very destructive so I worked up the Rem 180 Lil'Gun load hoping for equal penetration with a bit less devastation but never shot anything with it after that. Sure do miss it though...sweet, slick little rifle that literally shot 1/2" groups at 100 yards with both loads mentioned and several others. Congrats to the step daughter for a good clean kill:)

There was some scuttlebutt about Lil Gun being hard on forcing cone in Revolvers. Interestingly enough it was powder specific to Lil Gun.

How is it in rifle loads?

I have most of a pound I set back on the shelf after the stories of forcing cone damage. It was the base for the most accurate load I had for my GP100 and I was using the Remington 180s in that loading.
158 Remington's were a dismal failure in the 20" Rossi 92, but maybe will retry with Hornady 160 JTC-SIL and sneak up on the aforementioned loading of H110. I was using far less of 296 than the H110 loading mentioned here too.

May revisit the 180 HP also, but it sure did take some finagling to get OAL so it would feed.

I used to worry about barrel erosion and such but I've come to the conclusion it will take a lot more money in powder and components to erode one than the whole gun costs and even then, all it would require is a Taylor throat job to fix it. I've done a lot of shooting with jacketed bullets and H110 and never seen any evidence of erosion in thousands of rounds. Not saying it doesn't, but it seems to take a lot more than I can afford to do the job. That's my take anyhow:)

(rifle) and .357 Max and haven't seen a problem yet. Only the 1894C isn't a single shot so it isn't as if I rapid fire anything either. I get very good groups from the Hornet and Bee as well.

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You asked about rifles and I forgot to mention it. In a pistol caliber rifle like .357, .44, etc. there really is no forcing cone, just a lead into the rifling. What causes the erosion is the hot powder gasses in the tapered forcing cone surrounding the bullet while waiting for it to pass into the bore where it then strictly pushes from behind and passes through...not very eloquent but it's the best way I know how to explain it. Even in magnum rifle rounds with slow powders most of the powder is burned in the first 3-4" and then it's expanding gas pushing on the bullet. So, in a handgun round like .357, even with the slowest of powders, it's pretty much burned by the time it passes the forcing cone. In a revolver, longer heavier bullets like the .180's in a .357 tend to mitigate the effects of forcing cone erosion while the shorter lighter 125's tend to intensify the effect. Also, in bottleneck rifles, supposedly using boat tail bullets extensively causes it as well for the same reason as the forcing cone in a revolver,,,you have a tapered area around the base of the bullet with burning powder rather than behind it. That's my amateur analysis anyhow. Some of the smarter engineer types on here like Glen might be able to explain it better or correct my laid back country boy redneckefied way of 'splaining it:)

likes it.

DON'T try to reach high velocities with light bullets.

The throat erosion with Lil Gun is not an internet rumor. One actual experiment with light bullets, heavy charges ruined a 454 FA Mod 83's throat in about 50 rounds. Disremember the actual count, but it was something like 47 or 63 - and the man is utterly trustworthy and certainly knows FAs. That's probably on the far extreme end of the scale, considering the pressures involved would unwrap a Ruger with the first shot. I avoid light bullets with this powder to try and minimize flame/powder damage in the throat to a minimum. So far haven't noticed anything unusual.

Plus, I don't really shoot the 218 all that much. The Ruger bolt is my stepdaughter's hunting rifle - doubt it will be shot a lot. Neither gun will see rapid-fire.

For me it really only worked well with the heavier for caliber bullets. Worked great with 180's in .357 and not so well at all with 158's. The .45 gave ok results with 300 grain bullets but I was pretty stuck on WC820 and the RCBS 270 SAA so I didn't bother with it much. It was made for that 180 Remington in the .357 though.