You are right Not much to add. When Mr .Quinn was assaulted at the ATM. Going for a gun was the last thing needed. Left hand on his(bad guys) gun while right hand on your gun would have ended the confrontation. At one of the Noreasters years ago , A member showed a mouse gun he carried. I told him it was the best example of what not to carry. A gun should get you out of trouble not get you in deeper. I told him ME WITH MY POCKET KNIFE would beat him with his gun in a fight. This was a campfire conversation where all were heard from and feelings were hurt. I stated that the days of a single bad guy with a knife are over. Confrontations will most likely be with multiple bad guys heavily armed. You need something that has the potential to stop someone with one shot, Where I live I don't carry a J frame anymore because it doesn't have enough bangs in it. I shoot a J frame better than most guns made and if confronting 3 people you are lacking.
Later after everyone had time to cool off from the campfire conversation I had two of the people tell me they changed there way of thinking and also changed there carry. One of the things that came up was that I am not superman and if I had a gun on me how was I going to draw and perform ? My answer was to GRAB THE BAD GUY AND START BREAKING PARTS OFF, make the gap you need to draw and perform.
Mind set is the ultimate weapon, All else is supplemented.
J.Michael

Force on Force training will help a person to live a longer life and enjoy it more. you fight how you have trained.

I agree with what you say. Most people will not do that, and some of us are no longer physically capable of fighting with a younger more powerful man. I decided some time ago that resistance is the way to go, quick and as determined as possible to create space so I can draw my XD9. Better yet, don't let trouble get close enough for personal contact in the first place.

behind you with the sole aim of knocking you out. It could be anybody but is likely a young male (and not necessarily of a particular ethinicity).

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Sincerely,

Hobie

Situational Awareness. Meaning being aware of what is going on around you. It can be as simple as keeping your head on a swivel WHENEVER you are out in public. NEVER look in the same direction for more than four seconds at a time. Look at people around you and notice if they are looking at you. I don't know when or why I first learned to do that, it just seems natural after so many years of doing it.

You will never be able to react fast enough to deflect or defeat a threat if you don't see it coming until it is right in your face. OTOH, predators seem to be acutely aware if YOU are aware of your surroundings and have noticed them. They will usually just pass on by if they have lost the element of surprise.

Thanks for posting this one Byron. I try to be aware and so and has been mentioned even when trying to be aware things do distract a person. I always like the comment that Bill Jordan made in his book "No Second Place Winners" regarding responding to a gun fight. He was able to draw and fire before the person who was holding a gun at him, before that person could shoot him. He believed if you want to be a real gunny this is what you have to be able to do. I know I sure can not but I saw him do it time after time, he even told the person holding the gun him that he would draw and shoot him before he could get a shot off.
Some good comments out on this one I think. Thanks again, I am rambling too much have a good day.

Number one thing to train, get yer mind right. Earp, Holiday, Jordan, Askins, and so many more share one thing in common. Deliberate action. All the other technical training is well worth it, for sure, but without a "let's do this" mentality, it might as well be tennis. Many experiments over decades have shown that *reaction time* is an eternity in a gunfight. That originates in the brain, for everybody, and it is precisely why people like Jordan can draw and fire before the person who has the drop on them does. Knowing, and training, on when to "start the ball" is half the battle, the other half wins confrontations, and that is total focus and concentration on whatever your move is, "thoughtless" as it were, and without a nano-second of hesitation. Winning the reaction time duel is huge, and it can save your butt, all-by-itself, in a confrontation where everything else is stacked against you.

JLF

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/08/intended-knockout-game-victim-shoots-back/

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Hobie

for the entire family.

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Of the Troops & For the Troops

Since this is at least partially about me, I would like to add a few comments of my own -- and I am not trying to start a fight.

I thought I had a good reason NOT to carry a cartridge in the chamber. Turns out that it was not a good enough reason. But even if I did have one in the chamber, the situation would have been absolutely no different.

I have been going to this barber for at least 30 years. I have seen kids, young people, middle aged people, and old people waiting for a cut. Some have been nicely dressed, some not so nice. There was absolutely nothing (even in retrospect) that told me this guy was different from the many hundreds of people I have seen in his shop before. If that is a failure of "situational awareness" or "condition white", I still don't know what I could have seen that would have tipped me off.

When I first saw the gun, the guy was pointing it at the barber about 15 feet away from me. He IMMEDIATELY turned towards me an walked briskly to about 6 feet away (he must have thought I was a bigger threat). That is about 3 or 4 quick steps. That also tells me that he was not totally inexperienced. He was close enough so that I could reach out and hand him my wallet and he could reach out and take it. It was NOT close enough to grab the gun or sweep it away while I drew my gun with the other hand. That is a "real life" situation that did not happen. Just like the real life situations I practiced that did not happen.

There are also a lot of assumptions that I could not reach the gun in my left front pocket. I have practiced many times drawing with my left hand, wiping off the holster while it is being drawn, and jacking the slide with my right hand, then shooting left handed. I have practiced with my "weak hand" for years and it is not much weaker than my strong hand. However, I was not going to even try that with a gun pointing at my midsection and a finger firmly on the trigger. All it would have taken was a squeeze (or even a jerk) and I would have been hit. I do have a big midsection.

I also have the book, "No Second Place Winner" along with a bunch of other books (anybody remember Chic Gaylord?). If you notice, he was always drawing from an exposed holster with a full sized gun. He was a police officer and was allowed to carry that way. And he was gifted when it came to speed. I am not. The other problem is that there is an anti-gun District Attorney in town that hates guns and gunowners. Before we had legal concealed carry, he (and prior to him, his boss and mentor) would prosecute any otherwise upstanding citizen who used a gun to defend himself against a legitimate criminal. Even if he did not get a conviction, the defense costs would break the gunowner. Now that we have concealed carry (which he testified against several times), he prosecutes anyone who is spotted with a "concealed" gun as "brandishing a weapon". If it is seen in a place with "No Guns Allowed" stickers, he prosecutes it as a felony. A conviction means that you cannot have any guns of any kind afterward.

I would like to carry something like a Ruger LCR revolver. But, I don't know how I can carry it and NEVER have it seen, but still be able to easily reach it and draw. I sometimes work in the field and often attend professional meetings. Having a coat on at all times (especially in the summer) is out. Leaving my shirt tails hanging out would not work out, either. Frankly, I am at a loss. I am rethinking what I need to do in the future, but I am hearing mostly platitudes rather than something that I can actually do.