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Byron — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:00:37 +0000

Just wondering............... (reply)

Otony — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:35:55 +0000

If you run a longer buffer tube (one meant for a rifle) you get a couple of advantages when building an AR pistol.

Often there is better or more reliable functioning as opposed to the stubby tubes usually used. As well, you can actually use such a tube as a (shhhh) buttstock more efficiently. Some folks install a crutch or cane tip on the end of the tube....to protect it from getting dinged up. Believe it or not there is an ATF letter in regards to the cane tip, it is good to go and does not create a "stock" if installed.

Using the tip and a longer buffer, the whole affair does work quite well as a SBR without going to the expense and hassle of owning one. A few things to note, of course. You MUST have the pistol registered as such. And leave that upper/lower assembly married to one another in order to avoid confusion with other AR builds you may have in your home.

It would also behoove you to put in your carrying case the couple of letters which ATF has issued regarding AR pistols. Yes, I know, ATF letters are contradictory at times, and official opinions can change like the wind. But there are, unfortunately, some over enthusiatic Barney Fife type officers out there who wouldn't know an SBR from a pistol...or a squirt gun for that matter. A little official paperwork might could calm down a nasty misunderstanding.

Some folks feel that longer tubes should be machined to remove the bottom rail meant to locate the stock, so it is then shaped ala a pistol tube. The conjecture here is that a railed buffer tube is somehow an invitation to "stock that bad boy". Thus far, there are no recorded cases of any gummint officials trying to claim "intent" because of one type of tube over another, so you do what ever makes you comfortable.

I will write this last, AR pistols make GREAT rifles for small women and children.

Just wondering............... (reply)

Slow Hand — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:27:16 +0000

Lots of guys build ar's as pistols while waiting for their Form 1 paperwork to come back so they can put a stock on it as an SBR. I've seen lots of pics Of guys shooting them with the pistol buffer tube against their cheek. Not ideal, but it looks like it'll work in a pinch.

Like a Whippet? (reply)

Hobie — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:29:06 +0000

Rossi Ranch Hand anyone... (reply)

Warhawk — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:36:51 +0000

I was interested in the gun, but didn't plan to buy one. Then I saw one for sale locally, it didn't sell and he kept cutting the price. Finally I couldn't resist and bought it.

I'll bring it (357) to the CSA shoot in Arkansas. Anyone who wants to play with it is welcome.

Just wondering............... (reply)

Byron — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:30:46 +0000

At what point does it cross the line between pistol and SBR? My point being that very good shooting can be done with quite short length of pull stocks on rifles....ie snap shooting with a reflex sighted flat top AR is nice with the stock all the way in....

If one could cut back a rifle stock to the absolute minimum required to get a "nose to the cocking handle" (sort of thing) and it still made "pistol" then it might just be a truely handy little shooter...

Just thinking....

Byron

At least it wasn't made by Mossberg. (reply)

Catoosa — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:30:56 +0000

Seems to me like the only way you could hit anything with one would be to use a barrel-mounted laser.

Kinda spoils the whole wild west thing, though.....

At least it wasn't made by Mossberg. (reply)

anachronism — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:24:17 +0000

If Mossberg made these, they'd likely have a railed fore end, tactical flashlight, a laser, plastic grip & a bayonet lug.

Rossi Ranch Hand anyone... (reply)

jerry b — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:08:20 +0000

I've handled two awhile back. How DO you use these things? DO you hold at hip? Do you put the butt in the crook of your elbow? DO you throw it at whatever or use it like a club?

Not trying to be cute or anything, but I would have no idea what to do with one. Give me a regular buttstock rifle or a real pistola, thanks.

Thwty seem to apeal to women cause they are handy and cute (reply)

Drago — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:15:25 +0000

Rob, I think there's a touch of "forbidden fruit" appeal to them. Even though they are 100% legal, they don't look like it. If sawing off rifles and shotguns were not a crime, I doubt there'd be much interst in them.
Signed,
An Old Duffer

I have built a half dozen for a local store. (reply)

Rob Leahy — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:02:48 +0000

You mean this one... (reply)

pokynojoe — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:40:28 +0000

http://www.eaglesquadronproductions.com/bounty.htm

Rob....I think the holster (reply)

Bud — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:31:40 +0000

for Steve McQueen's 'Mare's leg" was cooler than the gun itself. You ever took a good look at that rig ???

I think you hit the nail on the head... (reply)

pokynojoe — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:33:56 +0000

Fun being the operative word. That's the appeal for a certain ole cowgirl who was quite the endurance rider in her day. It would be nice to be able to hit something with it also, but I don't think that's the issue here. If it goes "bang" when she pulls the trigger, that's probably all that's required. There's a lot to be said for having "fun" though.

thanks all
Joe

Rossi Ranch Hand anyone... (reply)

Hobie — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:24:04 +0000

I like the short rifle concept of swapping in a real butt stock (after the appropriate paperwork of course).

Rossi Ranch Hand anyone... (reply)

Wildcat — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:16:15 +0000

One of the deputys here locally bought one so he could "pretend to be Steve McQueen on the weekends." He says its a fun blaster but thats about it.

Thwty seem to apeal to women cause they are handy and cute (reply)

Rob Leahy — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:39:04 +0000

and old duffers that never got over Wanted Dead or Alive. I think they are nearly useless am amazed they come with tall adjusto sights and that they seem to sell so well

If I got one, it'd cost me another $200 (reply)

Slow Hand — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:26:00 +0000

Because I'd have to file a form 1 and convert it to a short barreled rifle and put a stock on it!

Funny thing is the rifles in 357 are like hens teeth but (reply)

stonewalrus — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:09:22 +0000

there are ranch hands sitting around. You'd think Rossi would be cranking out the rifles that sell rather than these novelties.

I modified my Crossman Pumpmaster 760 into (reply)

brionic — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:56:46 +0000

one just like Steve McQueen's. Shootability went way down, but cool factor went way up. It became a wallhanger.