The Frontier Sixshooter Community Message Board - Yeah, Commanders are 'OK'

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

FOG — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 02:49:24 +0000

Thanks for the compliment.

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

Cherokee — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 01:43:05 +0000

Steve's work is great...

'Weak going into battery' is a sure sign it's time (reply)

FOG — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 01:36:27 +0000

Actually, it's probably a bit overdue.

It will be interesting to see how much of a difference a new factory recoil spring makes.

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

FOG — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 01:16:25 +0000

Custom Combat Commander by Steve Nastoff (ca. 1990)

That sounds like the right one (reply)

FOG — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 00:41:00 +0000

It's probably just seen better days (which, like I said, might not have been that long ago).

NOTE: If the gun still throws empties into the next dimension after replacing the recoil spring,
that would seem to leave just two possibilities: (1) the Ejector, or (2) Physics.

I tend to agree with most of that... (reply)

rob — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 00:32:06 +0000

I'm kind of a fan of the Colt Commanders though:) I prefer the standard 5" without a rail to all of them though. I agree in theory the heavier recoil spring batters the gun going back into battery but all things considered, you are picking up a fresh round, stripping it from the mag, pushing it and the barrel back up into lockup and the top bullet in the magazine is also somewhat putting the brakes on the slide. I think it's generally horse do-do but I'm just an amateur:) My only goal is reduce ejection velocity. Oh yeah...sometimes it's really weak going into lockup and needs to be helped along the last 1/16" or so during live fire. It's tight for a Sig but it just has every indication the spring is weak.

Yes it is... (reply)

rob — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 00:22:44 +0000

I was curious myself so pulled it out of the safe and took a look. Not a lot of red but its there.

Recoil Springs: P220 vs. 1911 (reply)

FOG — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:52:12 +0000

Nothing against the SIG, but a 'full-size' P220 is more akin to the Commander than a Government Model.

In terms of recoil springs, this means you start at the short end of the stick with the standard P220.

Step down to the P220C, and you probably cannot expect more than 1000 rounds or so before it's time to replace the recoil spring. The good news is, factory replacements are available.

Regarding lengevity, 'extra' power wouldn't buy you much. Some might even argue it beats up the gun on the forward recoil stroke, but that could be 'stretching' things. If the gun is cycling properly, the spring itself won't last any longer than a standard-power spring.

Alloy selection, along with construction techniques such as the wound-wire recoil springs used in SIGs, can affect spring life, but those choices are typically beyond the purview of the end-user.

If the 'old days' were any indication, the gun to probably have is indeed the full-size 1911. Back then, no one ever replaced the recoil spring in their .45 or anything else.

Unless something broke...

That's a bit of an exaggeration, of course.

But only a bit.

Just curious (reply)

FOG — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:52:40 +0000

Is the spring that's in the gun now painted 'red'?

I believe it's supposed to be.

Got the one from TGS... (reply)

rob — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:25:52 +0000

Hopefully it will help. The gun is practically new but sat on a shelf for about three years before I bought it. Either way, if it doesn't, ill have a good spare. I'd rather see an extra power Wolff but I don't think they make one...I haven't found it if they do:)

If you count coils, that might work (reply)

FOG — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:06:40 +0000

But if you go to TGS, you won't have to.

If you shoot the gun much, I would recommend getting a few replacements, as I would not expect recoil springs to last very long in any short .45 Auto.

HTH

That was the etc. ... (reply)

rob — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:02:57 +0000

I was pretty much shocked to find they did not have anything for the Carry version. They are different because they (Wolff) even specify "Does not fit Carry Model". Strange. I may just have to buy a caliber conversion in the regular P220 slide length. It's only .5" longer anyhow so I'm not real sure I get the point of the P220C and P229's. I'll at least get another factory magazine:)

Top Gun Supply has the factory part IN STOCK (reply)

FOG — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:02:03 +0000

Sig Sauer Factory Recoil Spring, P220R3 .45 - Red

Sig Sauer factory replacement recoil spring for P220 Carry .45.
Manufacturer: Sig Sauer
SKU: P00165

IN STOCK

Price $8.29

HTH

Wolff says 'Not for use in P220 compact' (reply)

FOG — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:58:50 +0000

Sig 220C Recoil Spring??? (reply)

RidinLou — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:57:06 +0000

What about Wolff?

http://www.gunsprings.com/

Sig 220C Recoil Spring???

rob — Thu, 04 Jul 2013 19:54:31 +0000

My P220C Dark Elite is terrible about throwing brass about 20' north-east...i.e. in the grass down range making it extremely hard to recover brass. I personally think the recoil spring is a bit weak and would like to either replace it with a new factory spring or a Wolff version in extra power form. Problem is, I see NO listing for a recoil spring of any kind for the Carry sized gun anywhere. I've tried Sig, Midway, Top Gun Supply, Brownells, etc. Nothing. Is this just a futile search? I love these guns but this is where a 1911 just has it all over everything else. Any help would be appreciated,

rob

The Frontier Sixshooter Community Message Board - Yeah, Commanders are 'OK'

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

'Weak going into battery' is a sure sign it's time (reply)

Yeah, Commanders are 'OK' (reply)

That sounds like the right one (reply)

I tend to agree with most of that... (reply)

Yes it is... (reply)

Recoil Springs: P220 vs. 1911 (reply)

Just curious (reply)

Got the one from TGS... (reply)

If you count coils, that might work (reply)

That was the etc. ... (reply)

Top Gun Supply has the factory part *IN STOCK* (reply)

Wolff says 'Not for use in P220 compact' (reply)

Sig 220C Recoil Spring??? (reply)

Sig 220C Recoil Spring???

Top Gun Supply has the factory part IN STOCK (reply)