Staking a 1911 front sight

by Sarge, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 10:47 (4313 days ago)

Some 1911 copies have GI-style front sights made from bad castings and to make matters worse, they are barely staked in place. The predictable result is that some will depart the gun in the middle of a magazine. Also, many simply prefer high-profile sights on this pistol. I generally shoot GI sights just fine, but Rock Island installs the sights on their bright-nickel guns before plating them. They suck in bright sunlight and since this is my primary carry auto, I decided to put higher-profile sights on it. My long favorite, the King-Tappan sights, are no longer available and I figured the next best option was Fusion’s ‘narrow tenon’ stake-on front sight for GI and Series 70 Colts.

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Staking a 1911 front sight isn’t the voodoo ritual its made out to me. You’ll need good light, a good staking tool, a Dremel for relief cuts & clean up and a padded vise to hold the slide. I like Brownell’s staking tool, which is designed to work around the recoil spring tube, and has easily-replaceable staking points.

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Of course you’ve got to remove the old front sight first. Strip the slide and you’ll see the riveted mounting stake of the old sight. I generally use a 1/8 round, tool steel Demel cutter to remove as much of the rivet as possible; then I pad the top of the vise, to protect the slide, and lock the vise down tight on the old sight and twist the slide until it comes out. You may need to poke the stub out with a small screwdriver or such. Finish by cleaning up the staking hole, taking care not to distort or enlarge it. If your slide does not have a relieved area to rivet the stake into, you’ll need to grind one in at this point. The Rock Island slide had a nice, square relief cut so I was fine there.

My old 6” drill press vise gets used outside quite a bit, so I cleaned up the contact surfaces with a flat file and beveled the edges to eliminate burrs. For padding, I simply folded an old Coke carton, snugged the jaws on it and trimmed the overflow. I also cut a thin strip to protect the slide from the bottom of the vise. Just leave enough room for the top of the sight to rest on the bare steel the vise, while staking it.

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Setting this up properly is real important. Insure the front sight body is perfectly aligned with the slide and that the sight itself is as far to the rear as its mounting stake will allow. I tighten the vise just enough to hold the slide, adjust the works so that only the top of the front sight is supported by the bottom of the vise. I’ve learned to give the recoil spring tube a few light raps to seat everything, prior to final tightening of the vise jaws. I add a single drop of red Loctite to the sight stake and give it a few minutes to flow, before beginning.

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The actual staking should be done lightly, taking care to rivet the stake into the relief cut evenly on both sides. Take your time. If done correctly, the sight will last for tens of thousands of rounds without loosening.

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Note that the rivet is located at the end of the bushing cam cut. You’ll need to remove the excess with a small round stone, restoring the original contour. Clean the slide thoroughly and make sure the bushing installs freely, before reassembling the gun.

The finished sight should be solid as a rock and look like it grew there. Check it to insure no light is visible under the slide, from any angle.

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For as good as this installation went, I discovered the Fusion front sight is wider and taller than Colt/King sights; and that it won’t work well with the Colt 80 Series rear sights I’ve always used. I even managed to butcher a Colt 80 rear sight trying to ‘perfect’ it, LOL. So back to Brownell’s I go, for one of these Harrison ‘Retro’ rear sights. At 0.317” tall and with a 0.135” notch, it should be about a perfect match for the Fusion front sight.

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http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31893/sku=100-004-784/Product/1911-Retro-Rear-Sight

It’s sort of a throw-back to another time, but then so am I.

Staking a 1911 front sight

by Tom Richardson @, Clarksville, Arkansas, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 11:05 (4313 days ago) @ Sarge

Thanks for the illustrated information.
Should make things easier for some of us.

Speaking of Throwbacks.

by JLF @, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 11:39 (4313 days ago) @ Sarge

back in the day, things like staking tools, and Dremels and such, were high-priced fancy stuff for grownups. I've done many a front sight this way, and never had any unauthorized departures. I would work the oversized sight stake down until it was a tight press fit into the slide slot, and then slather it with JB-Weld. Clean up all the excess, wait overnight, and then dress it all down inside the slide with a spoon file. Dem was the days.:-)

JLF

Ever have one come loose, Jack?

by Catoosa, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 11:55 (4313 days ago) @ JLF

I've put sights on 12-gauge barrels with J-B, and so far they are still there.

J-B is great stuff.

Nary a one...N/T.

by JLF @, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 21:58 (4313 days ago) @ Catoosa

...

Think I ordered my first 'real' staking tool...

by Sarge, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 12:15 (4313 days ago) @ JLF

about six years ago. I built one from an old piece of 1/4 x 1 inch flat stock and used that until I lost it. The new one is a world better.

JB Weld is de shizz for filling in between the barrels of bobbed-off doubles, too.

Yassir!

by JLF @, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 22:01 (4313 days ago) @ Sarge

I was forever taking hacksaws to poor old cheap hammer doubles for coach guns. Nothing filled that gap like JB. You could even cold blue it to match.:)

JLF

Staking a 1911 front sight

by Slow Hand ⌂ @, Indiana, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 13:32 (4313 days ago) @ Sarge

Looks much better! I love that rear sight. Put one in my 'fixed up' stainless Series-80. I'd like to put a tritium front sight on it and may go with the JB Weld method. I'm a bit nervous about breaking the vial and wasting the money for the radioactive stuff!

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